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Sunday, 29 April 2012

UKIP: A libertarian party?


UKIP's leadership are often heard to claim that the party is libertarian. That this is said firmly tongue in check is evident by the dictatorial stance taken by the leadership when it comes to gagging their own members.

UKIP's own party forum is one such case in point. Jonathan 'Frightened Rabbit' Arnott has been busy removing any criticism of Derek Clark after some members had the audacity to express discontent over the fact that Clark had lied to his own regional committee about misusing his allowances to pay staff.

Another example of their intolerance can be found in the following two articles. The articles in question concern anti-homosexual comments made by Roger Helmer MEP and a UKIP candidate. That UKIP's corrupt leadership have failed to condemn their comments can only be taken as an endorsement of such views. UKIP under Farage is about as libertarian as the Nazi Party:

UKIP candidate suggested gays ‘stop complaining and start thanking straight people’


A former UKIP parliamentary candidate and current Oxford City Council hopeful has said people who ‘choose’ to be gay should stop ‘complaining about persecution’ and start thanking straight people for giving birth to them.

Dr Julia Gasper was selected by UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party)to run for Parliament in 2010 in Oxford East and is now campaigning for election to the city council in next week’s elections, prompting a concerned resident to draw attention to her blog.

This month, UKIP, which advocates withdrawal from the European Union, overtook the Liberal Democrats in a national YouGov poll of voting intentions, though in more recent polls they have reverted to tying with the party.

In 2010, Dr Gasper said gay rights had “gone too far” and suggested homosexuality is a choice.

She also suggested a link between homosexuality and paedophilia should be examined when selecting gay couples to adopt a child.

She wrote: “Homosexuality (as Jean-Paul Sartre said) is simply a form of behaviour, not like being black at all. Black people could and did for thousands of years live independently on another continent, but homosexuals can only exist as a by-product of a heterosexual society.

“Homosexuals are completely dependent on heterosexuals to create them.

“Curiously they never express any gratitude for this, while complaining constantly of persecution.”

On adoption, she wrote: “It makes no sense to argue for the “equal rights” of a homosexual couple because nobody has a right to adopt. Adoption takes place in the interests of the child, not the adults [...]

“To talk about gays having a right to adopt is to treat the child like a form of merchandise. It is wholly unacceptable.”

Suggesting homosexuality is a choice, she continued: “If fairness is the issue, it seems fair to me to give a child to couples who have experienced biological sterility or repeated miscarriage, because they really can’t have a child of their own. Their need is greater than that of those who simply choose a same-sex partner.”

“Undoubtedly in my view, it is wrong to force any adoption society to go against its ethics. We ought to reflect that there is a strong connection between male homosexuality and paedophilia. Why hush it up?”

More recently, Dr Gasper has written on marriage equality for gay couples, which UKIP opposes.

When a schoolboy told her earlier this month that gays should not be barred from marriage as polygamy was accepted in Biblical times, Dr Gasper accused him of “corkscrew logic”.

Using the Old Testament story of Jacbob’s polygynous marriage to two women, Rachel and Leah, with whose slave-girls he also had children, Dr Gasper wrote: “Both marriages were regarded as valid. Does this mean that marriage was polygamous? Not at all. Jacob’s marriage to Leah united two people, a man and a woman. His marriage to Rachel also united two people, a man and a woman. Rachel and Leah did not marry each other!!! [...]

“It is still strictly accurate to say that each marriage was the union of one man to one woman, for life.”

The City of Oxford will be voting for 24 of its city councillors on 3 May, with Dr Gasper contesting a relatively safe Labour ward.

PinkNews.co.uk was unable to reach Dr Gasper this afternoon to express gratitude.

To read the original: LINK

New UKIP MEP: Will gay marriage lead to incest?

An MEP who last year asked why doctors should perform gender reassignment surgery but not ‘gay cure’ therapy has suggested gay marriages will lead to incestuous and polygamous unions.

Roger Helmer MEP’s wrote on his blog, Straight Talking, that Cardinal Keith O’Brien’s comments about “grotesque” plans to introduce gay marriage were “impressive” and “brilliant”.

Helmer defected to UKIP from the Conservative party four days ago having previously said he would stand down from the European Parliament over his disillusionment with the party.

Of the Cardinal’s comment that gay marriage was ‘a grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right’, Helmer continued: “I wish I’d thought of the phrase. Perhaps he ought to be a politician.”

Helmer, who once described the Catholic church as ‘systematically paedophile’ wrote yesterday:

“Archbishop Keith O’Brien also makes the point, quite reasonably, that once you start to tamper with the institution of marriage, you get into some very murky water indeed. If two men can be married, why not three men? Or a two men and a woman?

“He could have gone further. Why not a commune? If two men have a right to marry, how can we deny the same right to two siblings? Are we to authorise incest?”

In the same blog post, Helmer also wrote: “I believe that Christian moral principles are not a bad basis for a free and fair society (even if I don’t always live up to them).”

Helmer stood down from the Conservative party in 2011 and joined right-wing UKIP four days ago.

At the begining of 2011, he had tweeted: “Why is it OK for a surgeon to perform a sex-change operation, but not OK for a psychiatrist to try to ‘turn’ a consenting homosexual?”

Although had had pledged to stand down, he later announced he would be completing his term in office with UKIP. He told BBC News: “UKIP better represents the views of Conservative voters than David Cameron’s Conservative Party.”

Nigel Farage, the UKIP leader, said: “A senior MEP from the Conservative Party, like Roger Helmer, defecting to us sends a message that people are taking UKIP very seriously.”

When he was the Conservative MEP for the East Midlands in 2009, he wrote on his blog:

“Homophobia’ is merely a propaganda device designed to denigrate and stigmatise those holding conventional opinions, which have been held by most people through most of recorded history.

“It is frightening evidence of the way in which political correctness is threatening our freedom.”

To read the original: LINK


5 comments:

Greg_L-W. said...

Hi,

I guess it would be foolish to believe there is any hope that Derek Clark MEP would have the understanding of ethics sufficient to resign at his regional committee meeting this evening for having lied to its members, the electorate, UKIP members and the media.

He will probably hang on convincing himself that he does not befoul the EUroSceptic movement as he was only doing what Nigel Farage so frequently does.

In fact Nigel Farage lied to protect Derek Clark because as he admitted 'Clark was giving him money'!

That this incident has shown that it is a matter of UKIP policy to lie to stay on the Gravy Train and enrich themselves - is irrefutable.

Many will remember it was several years ago that I highlighted the fact that Derek Clark was proudly boasting of defrauding the tax payers and if anyone complained he would keep ALL the money himself and give none to the party! This proud boast was made at a public meeting.

Derek Clark has lied and defamed me and Junius for many years for his very personal gain.

Derek Clark is beneath contempt and will no doubt show just how vile he is, by hanging onto his position at all cost, with no self respect and less concern for these United Kingdoms than the EU he is thus so actively supporting!

It will be noted that not one of UKIP's leadership has had the integrity to denounce this odious, corrupt and dishonest old man.

Derek Clark - do as I suggested so very long ago and be man enough to apologise publicly and resign taking the slime you have surrounded yourself wth with you.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Greg_L-W. said...

Hi,

one can hardly consider UKIP to be a Libertarian Party as it claims with Gerard Batten MEP publishing tracts that incline to incite racial hatred based on his own personal fears and superstitions as in his vile anti Islamic tracts and his association with criminals like Gregory Lauder Frost who many see as an extremist, a bigot and something of a white supremacist!

Let us not forget the efforts made by Gerard Batten, involving wasting Police time, to trying to suppress freedom of speech and legitimate discussion of his failures in public service - Not very Libertarian I would contend.

There is nothing Libertarian about UKIP's vile racist, anti Jewish, anti homosexual, Holocaust denying advocates of violence as a political expedient that is UKIP's grouping in the EU - a grouping their leader Nigel Farage chairs and exploits The EFD Group.

What is Libertarian about the army of sock puppet and muppets who are unleashed by UKIP unfettered to attack, abuse and defame those who dare to disagree with their odious behaviour!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Eric Dondero said...

Obviously you all have no conception what libertarian means. Her views are entirely consistent with libertarianism. She can be skeptical of homosexuality if she wants. It's not like she's an Islamist calling for the hanging of gays in the town square.

We libertarians oppose Islamo-Fascism. Ms. Gasper is a severe critic of Islamism. Thus, she is a libertarian. You Sirs, are not.

Eric Dondero, 25+ year member
US Libertarian Party
LibertarianRepublican.net

Greg_L-W. said...

Hi,

yes indeed language can be bent to suit the needs of the charlatan.

No part of Libertarian incorporates hatred but rather a concept of free speech and tollerance.

Can there be anything worse than an aggresive and intollerant bully who has openly admitted repeating the same errors for 25 years?

Is it the Libertarian or the Republican aspect of such conflicting dogmas that gives rise to this new fascism that seeks to abuse?

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Doctor Bob said...

Just for the record, Julia Gasper is now deleting any comments that challenges her view on her blogspot.

When asked on other blogs how she can claim people are trying to shut down her free speech and that the Law Society is denying Christians their rights under the Declaration of Human Rights while at the same time deleting comments that she doesn't agree with and remain credible she just closes her eyes and ignores it.

She really is a crank of note.